Roberts: How did it come out in the newspaper that you got her pregnant.

Dillas: Oh, Angela Trapasso, I used to ...

Roberts: They don't know if that was true.

Dillas: No they don't.

Roberts: But it was true though.

Dillas: Yeah it was true, yeah, Angela Trapasso used to go with Debbie's brother now she says she has no proof but ... I used to fly up there a lot of times and stay with Debbie and we used to go to Angela's house right. She has no proof, she couldn't prove this in court ... I just denied it, know what I'm saying ...

Young: I love shit like that, that's me bie.

Roberts: Yeah, that would make a man sick bie. All we're in for is the money and the fun and you look somebody is getting killed.

Dillas: And this girl is pregnant for me.

Young: F*** man.

Dillas: And my girlfriend knew about everything cause I told her about the whole deal.

Roberts: The girlfriend in the States.

Dillas: Yeah Debbie knew I was going with her.

YOUNG: The other Debbie.

Dillas: Yeah, I was going with her before that there. I was going with the white Debbie that got killed first. I was going with her for a whole year.

Roberts: Heh, but that's the damndest dirty f***** low down business bie.

Dillas: Yeah, then I didn't go with the black Debbie until Debbie went with someone else. So she accepted that for another whole year. She hadn't met Debbie. She said she hadn't been coming to Bermuda that much so we would still be cool. After I got from court that day Marcus called, couldn't f***** talk to him. Said, what wrong with you, I said man f*** man, you said that on the phone the other night man, f*** man, I didn't think you was talking about that man. He said ... in this day ... when you ... that's it, you're in with chances, I couldn't trust her.

Young: She liability bie.

Dillas: He said I found out through my federal, because he has big people in the States ...I found out from my resources that she was on the Federal Protection Programme in New Jersey. She was due to come down in Bermuda in two months time to testify. He said, f*** yeah, you had to take her mate. He said, look mate, it's done, it's actually done. Man even though she'd have testified ... I didn't want the man to go all that way, f*** man. The man didn't know nothing about it. He just ordered the hit on her.

Roberts: He just ordered the hit on her. He could have paid a guy five dollars to do it.

Dillas: Yeah he was in Florida. The man knew nothing about it when Raymond Seney got busted. Seney start telling you about a murder these guys have done.

He told them, he told them, everything, this girl who used to come down here, Deborah Owens ...

Roberts: He was telling the truth.

Dillas: Yeah, Seney was told because Marcus told him everything about it, know what I'm saying.

Roberts: So what, they know all this, is Seney telling the truth. All this here, all this s*** going down.

Dillas: Yeah, of course ... he was part of it, of course he's telling the truth. Seney was there but he didn't even know it was me. Seney said in his statement I was at the house with Marcus Cohab when an English type fella voice came, he didn't say who. I just heard the guys saying, um um Marcus was saying, she's gone and I was wondering what Marcus was talking about and Marcus was telling the English guy, saying she's gone, what are you f**** stupid she's gone, you don't know what gone means and Seney was trying to put it together, this is what Seney said he heard.

Young: Right right right.

Dillas: Seney said, I only to think that he was talking about the girl, because Marcus used to tell Seney everything ...Seney said he put two and two together. Seney said he put together, that's why he Seney to shut ... so Seney must have put two and two together ... must have been the gun that assassinated Debbie Owens but they never found the gun.

Roberts: Seney bought the gun.

Dillas: Seney was the one who bought the gun ... conspiracy to murder in the United States.

Roberts: Then actually, he didn't know about it.

Dillas: We didn't know about it. All we done was take the gun from Florida to New York and dropped it off at a hotel, that's all he knows but he's gone and told them all everything. Seney gave the man ... case when they had no idea cause actually one of the main ones that ... was her brother.

Roberts: Her brother killed her.

Dillas: Her own brother. Her own brother worked for the organisation.

Roberts: You're saying that her own brother killed her.

Dillas: He was part of the thing, he was the one who smuggled her out of Federal protection.

Roberts: Brought her out of Federal protection.

Dillas: He brought her out of there, yeah, because they knew she was under Federal protection and the only person who could get her out of there was a family member. Family member, he went there to talk them into letting her out, once he brought her out ... kidnapped her, shot her and dumped her in the f***** highway.

Roberts: Gets worse as it goes along, you've been through the ringer, man.

Dillas: Mmm.

Roberts: You've been through the ringer, man. All that f***** money bie, it ain't worth it, bie. When it comes down to the end ... When it comes down to the end it ain't f****** worth it bie.

Young: So Marcus now is in f****** well jail for conspiracy to murder, right.

Trapasso's locked up, Seney's's upstairs, Miranda's straight .. . Danny's f****** dead, um, um, who else Julio Junkie, never cracked. Luis will never crack. Hugo Mata never cracked.

Roberts: All Cubans.

Dillas: Yeah.

Roberts: All Julian Hall's boys.

Dillas: They can never prove, the point is, you see, using their own ...

they have a strong case ... they say you are formally charged with conspiracy ... could up until the day, the Police can never, can never prove that I know these Cubans. They have nothing, no 'phone numbers, nothing can prove in evidence in the whole trial, that I know of. All four Bermudians deny knowing these people. that's what makes the case so weak. Now if they had one of the people up top bragging to say yes, to come down and testify what he knows...

Roberts: Who is the guy they brought down here.

Dillas: He was an off straight f*****, um, um, guy who introduced me to Marcus Cohab in the beginning, but they can't even prove that I know him. Everybody denied knowing him, too.

Roberts: What's his name.

Dillas: Victor Alongi, everybody denied knowing him.

Roberts: He's the one who met Ted. Said he met Ted on the boat.

Dillas: Yeah, see, see, that's what makes the case close, right now that's why Barrie Meade had to bring the case against Ted.

Roberts: So he's the one who was supplying Ted.

Dillas: No. He's the one who said he met Ted first and came on the boat and saw Ted with the long finger nail and thought this guy must be cool. He put some coke on a napkin and told him try this, take it to the bathroom, snort it and tell me what you think about it. He said when Ted came back he said, yeah, man, it tastes pretty good.

Roberts: Yeah, Ted doesn't do drugs.

Dillas: This is the bulls***. Ted just bullsh***** him. Ted knew I was looking for contacts.

Roberts: Oh, oh, yes, he got in contact with you.

Dillas: Ted said, yes, I know someone ... what I'm saying is, now they have quashed the conviction of Ted and Colin, the whole case is involved around the Ted Ming trial, Ted was the beginning of the conspiracy by the meeting of Victor Alongi, which actually is the beginning of the conspiracy, supposed to be the allegation. Now that Ted's gone, if, if, if, Ted's evidence can't be used, if Ted wasn't part of the conspiracy.

Young: Why there? Dillas: Ted, why, where, came if Victor Alongi, if the Court attacked, they don't know how long to set when Victor Alongi really met Ted, how could Victor Alongi meet me.

Young: Exactly.

Dillas: See what I'm saying.

Roberts: So you met Victor Alongi.

Dillas: Who.

Roberts: Up, up Ted.

Dillas: Yeah, but they can't prove that. He got, he got up on the stand and said, I said I've never known this man in my life.

Roberts: That's what you said.

Dillas: Yeah, everybody said it, every Bermudian, all of us. We don't know him.

Roberts: But, but, you know.

Dillas: Yeah, yeah, course we know him (Laughter).

Roberts: Left that guy out there all by himself like that.

Dillas: Yeah, bie and the QC's job was to discredit him when he came down here.

Young: And he did.

Dillas: Yeah, he discredited him, he started saying all types of things, the guy, the QC I told you before the QC. You tell the members of this jury, you know and I know that you came down here for a special deal to testify about these men, is that correct, didn't the Crown in the United States make an agreement. He says yes, but that it wasn't guaranteed. He said, so you have something to gain from this. Yes, that's correct. So you have all the reason to come and say them things, is that correct. Yes. Let me say this to you (Laughter), would you say that you are a liar. No, sir, no. You wouldn't say you were a liar, you're sure about that, think about that.

Roberts: That's the QC talking.

Dillas: QC Mmm, he's bad. Think about it, your not a liar. Members of the jury you heard this man for yourself, he's not a liar. Let me say this to you Mr.

Alongi, would you say you were one to tell lies, no sir. No, Mr. Alongi, the cops produced evidence, that you came to Bermuda seven or eight times. We have the documents and section somewhere in the book, members of the jury would you look at it. Okay, Mr. Alongi, you come here under five alias names, Philip Helper, Victor Alongi, Luis somebody.

Young: ... Dillas: Yeah, all the names is that correct.

Young: So you are a liar (Laughter).

Dillas: So you are a liar. No sir. Mr. Alongi, I found it difficult for you to accept that you came to contradict yourself and you do not accept that you tell lies. You just told members of the jury that you don't tell lies. Would you say that all those names are all your names. What is your name. Victor ... Alongi. Are you going to tell members of the jury, where do you keep getting the names from. Did you get them from a phone book or did you go to a cemetery and get them off tomb stones. Oh yer he was bad. Were you there ...

Young: Yer I was there.

Dillas: F*** boy, crowd was ...

Young: Laughing like s***.

Dillas: That guy is awesome Jules bie, I am serious.

Roberts: And Hall had never met him.

Dillas: Who? Roberts: That guy Alongi, Hall had never met him.

Dillas: No, no Hall didn't know who he was.

Roberts: Hall didn't know none of the Cubans.

Dillas: Yeah, just Marcus but the guy was rolling ...

Roberts: So Hall, and Hall, so, so, so Hall must be in pretty deep too innit.

Dillas: No man, he just does the commercial part, he never touches dope man.

Roberts: You guys got him started back in business then, got him back on his feet.

Dillas: Yeah, we got him back on his feet, and he knew where the money sources were coming from and I used to pay him off with coke.

Roberts: He was trying to get the pizza business so everything would run smooth.

Dillas: Mmm.

Roberts: Wash the money.

Dillas: Yeah, Tony said all that in his evidence.

Roberts: Tony said all that in his evidence.

Dillas: Yes, in his evidence Tony said Julian was to be the one to be watching out for me for the whole organisation, he was the one if any of the runners got in trouble, he would be the lawyer who got in to represent them.

Roberts: And washing the money.

Dillas: And he was going to be the one which opened up the pizza shop. Seney came right back and did it, said the same thing.

Roberts: He was to be the launderer.

Dillas: Seney says, that Marcus Cohab told him that Marcus Cohab was one of the ones to bail Mr. Julian HALL out of debt when he went bankrupt.

Roberts: That's true.

Dillas: Yes it's true. This case might be ... if she goes down.

Young: Hall, all this could come to light.

Dillas: Yer, that's why we have to get the QC's.

Roberts: They say he's involved with that guy, a white man, how about that too.

Dillas: No, no, that's just an allegation, cops just ... That's why he has to have a QC though QC will not only be fighting for me he's fighting for this s*** not to come out. It's just like in the first case, we kept it out, lawyer X, Mr. X.

Roberts: Hall's going round, playing like he's so f****** upright. He's a bastard, he's a bastard. There's a lot of them like him around here man.

Dillas: I'll be fighting ... for the next, f*** it. I ain't pleading guilty bie.

Young: When do you start, when do you start your sentence.

Dillas: If that lawyer really tells me, QC tells me there's no way out, at that point I might reconsider.

Young: I tell you, you've got plenty of days ... plenty of avenues, plenty of avenues open bie.

Roberts: Hall used to take money out of the Island too innit.

Dillas: No.

Roberts: He never used to smuggle money out.

Dillas: No, he just used to set up Hall's companies. That's why the man was never able to find no f****** money that I had. They're making all these allegations that I've got .. Roberts: So how many companies you have? Dillas: Me.

Roberts: How many companies you have? Dillas: I have two.

Roberts: What are they called? Dillas: I can't remember.

Roberts: Oh okay, I ... pizza restaurants and all that there.

Dillas: That's going to be my ace in the hole. If things don't go right at that point, I will notify that name cause that should be registered.

Roberts: Okay.

Dillas: See what I'm saying.

Roberts: Yeah.

Dillas: That's my strongest ace card.

Roberts: You don't want to play your ace until the right time coming.

Dillas: Oh yer.

Young: And then, in the event that everything does work out and you get out of the second case and the first case, that will be like a survival kit.

Dillas: I want to tell you, with a good QC a QC can sometimes make things that, cases that look impossible, he can make them way out man, they're masters, know what I'm saying. I'm just staking my points of view. I know how that ehhhh... the main thing is that the Crown has to prove that I conspired with this Raymond Seney, they have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I told this guy to come to Bermuda, to bring drugs down.

Young: And you didn't.

Dillas: . and the worse thing the QC can make it look like the cops set up this guy to call me, which is clearly in evidence that he called me.

Young: Which in essence, they did.

Dillas: And the thing is we could get him on the Island for three days. If it was for me, surely, wouldn't it be picked up before that time.

Young: Especially a kilo and a half.

Roberts: Oh, oh was it for you or the sisters.

Dillas: Some was for Coleman, some for the sisters, I was going to get some ... No instructions as far as where it was suppose to go to. He said someone was suppose to fly down from the United States.

Roberts: But he knew, who was it suppose to go to then? Dillas: Yeah, but just the fact that he... QC .... see what I'm saying ... Mr. Seney did you say that in your statement, did you say this ... know what I'm saying, and once he starts ... f*** it up. Once I can make him look like he's a liar, that's it. Use it to discredit him.

Young: Also discredit him in the effect that he would do anything when he got caught, he would do anything, he would have pricked on anybody.

Roberts: So how long was Ted involved in all that there ... (Laughter) Ted must have made a pretty good bit of money too bie.

Dillas: Ted was a millionaire before that Jules.

Roberts: Yer I know, I know.

Dillas: He only got it in the last six months.

Roberts: So he got a couple of grand.

Dillas: Yer.

Roberts: Two hundred grand.

Dillas: He had all his houses and guest homes before he even come onto that, taxis, he had all that.

Roberts: I can't understand why the man is so f****** greedy man. He risk all man, he risk all man, and he's already got. F***... then Doc gets up on the stand and tells a whole heap of s***.

Dillas: Yer, yer.

Young: Going upstairs.

Dillas: Yer, yer, yer, yer ... there's one thing I forgot, that's when Ted wants some coke from Tony, I helped to .. twenty thousand dollars.

Roberts: He was getting it too.

Dillas: I sold it from down Rangers, f****** ass.

Young: Felt like slapping him didn't you ... I felt like jumping up and kicking him right in his f****** mouth ... I just walked in, I felt like slapping the s*** out of him.

Dillas: Stupid innit.

Young: F****** ass.

Dillas: The man didn't even catch him with nothing.

Roberts: He has been, does it too.

Dillas: Yeah.

Roberts: So you had to make it look like, make it look like he's a liar.

Dillas: He's a liar, I made him say he was a liar ... Tell the f***** truth, you're a liar. Then Barry Meade asked him, Mr. Ebbin, would you say that you call yourself a liar. He said yes. (Laughter).

DEXTER DILLAS JULIAN HALL LARRY EBBIN VICTOR ALONGI.